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		<title>By: joshbarnes</title>
		<link>http://digitalpopuli.com/crowdsourcing/whats-being-ignored-in-the-crowdsourcing-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>joshbarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Christian-&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You really make a point that we&#039;ve been trying to emphasize from the beginning; that the process of engagement in a crowd sourced advertising campaign is as valuable or more than the end product. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Our community spends time poring over the creative brief, brainstorming on ideas, and then creating video, print or interactive advertising. Then they reach out to their social networks to promote their creation. Their social network then comes back to our site (&lt;a href=&quot;http://Zooppa.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Zooppa.com&lt;/a&gt;) to view, comment on &amp; vote on the different pieces of creative. This creates an entire ecosystem of brand engagement, as the consumer public is not only being exposed to brand images, but is actively thinking about the brand at each step.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here is a link to a white paper about crowd sourced advertising from Zooppa:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.zooppa.com/tips-about-crowdsourcing-user-generated-marketing-and-advertising-campaigns/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blog.zooppa.com/tips-about-crowdsourcing...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Christian-</p>
<p>You really make a point that we&#39;ve been trying to emphasize from the beginning; that the process of engagement in a crowd sourced advertising campaign is as valuable or more than the end product. </p>
<p>Our community spends time poring over the creative brief, brainstorming on ideas, and then creating video, print or interactive advertising. Then they reach out to their social networks to promote their creation. Their social network then comes back to our site (<a href="http://Zooppa.com" rel="nofollow">Zooppa.com</a>) to view, comment on &#038; vote on the different pieces of creative. This creates an entire ecosystem of brand engagement, as the consumer public is not only being exposed to brand images, but is actively thinking about the brand at each step.</p>
<p>Here is a link to a white paper about crowd sourced advertising from Zooppa:<br /><a href="http://blog.zooppa.com/tips-about-crowdsourcing-user-generated-marketing-and-advertising-campaigns/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://blog.zooppa.com/tips-about-crowdsourcing.." rel="nofollow">http://blog.zooppa.com/tips-about-crowdsourcing..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: joshbarnes</title>
		<link>http://digitalpopuli.com/crowdsourcing/whats-being-ignored-in-the-crowdsourcing-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>joshbarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Christian-&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You really make a point that we&#039;ve been trying to emphasize from the beginning; that the process of engagement in a crowd sourced advertising campaign is as valuable or more than the end product. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Our community spends time poring over the creative brief, brainstorming on ideas, and then creating video, print or interactive advertising. Then they reach out to their social networks to promote their creation. Their social network then comes back to our site (&lt;a href=&quot;http://Zooppa.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Zooppa.com&lt;/a&gt;) to view, comment on &amp; vote on the different pieces of creative. This creates an entire ecosystem of brand engagement, as the consumer public is not only being exposed to brand images, but is actively thinking about the brand at each step.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here is a link to a white paper about crowd sourced advertising from Zooppa:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.zooppa.com/tips-about-crowdsourcing-user-generated-marketing-and-advertising-campaigns/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blog.zooppa.com/tips-about-crowdsourcing...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Christian-</p>
<p>You really make a point that we&#39;ve been trying to emphasize from the beginning; that the process of engagement in a crowd sourced advertising campaign is as valuable or more than the end product. </p>
<p>Our community spends time poring over the creative brief, brainstorming on ideas, and then creating video, print or interactive advertising. Then they reach out to their social networks to promote their creation. Their social network then comes back to our site (<a href="http://Zooppa.com" rel="nofollow">Zooppa.com</a>) to view, comment on &#038; vote on the different pieces of creative. This creates an entire ecosystem of brand engagement, as the consumer public is not only being exposed to brand images, but is actively thinking about the brand at each step.</p>
<p>Here is a link to a white paper about crowd sourced advertising from Zooppa:<br /><a href="http://blog.zooppa.com/tips-about-crowdsourcing-user-generated-marketing-and-advertising-campaigns/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://blog.zooppa.com/tips-about-crowdsourcing.." rel="nofollow">http://blog.zooppa.com/tips-about-crowdsourcing..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Cristian</title>
		<link>http://digitalpopuli.com/crowdsourcing/whats-being-ignored-in-the-crowdsourcing-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Cristian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words <img src='http://digitalpopuli.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: blogulak</title>
		<link>http://digitalpopuli.com/crowdsourcing/whats-being-ignored-in-the-crowdsourcing-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>blogulak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cristian, I recently discovered your blog and I&#039;m really enjoying it.  I really like the length and level of analysis in your posts - not too brief but not too long.  Good topics as well.  Just wanted to encourage you to keep blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cristian, I recently discovered your blog and I&#39;m really enjoying it.  I really like the length and level of analysis in your posts &#8211; not too brief but not too long.  Good topics as well.  Just wanted to encourage you to keep blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Hiscox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Hiscox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post! I&#039;m the founder of newly launched &lt;a href=&quot;http://Spudaroo.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Spudaroo.com&lt;/a&gt; which crowdsources business material including social media releases, newsletters, slide presentations, business plans, web content and so on.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The way I see crowdsourcing, its an extremely efficient way of getting things done at a price that is agreeable to the project owner and the expert. In my experience, loyalty is formed very early on in the process between the PO and an expert and the crowdsourcing website where that connection was made, is doing nothing more than facilitating an efficient and timely conclusion to the project with both parties satisfied. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I started Spudaroo because I was tired of basing purchase decisions on proposals and so far, the feedback has been tremendous. Crowdsourcing is absolutely here to stay but I agree, it will be interesting to see the evolution of the model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post! I&#39;m the founder of newly launched <a href="http://Spudaroo.com" rel="nofollow">Spudaroo.com</a> which crowdsources business material including social media releases, newsletters, slide presentations, business plans, web content and so on.</p>
<p>The way I see crowdsourcing, its an extremely efficient way of getting things done at a price that is agreeable to the project owner and the expert. In my experience, loyalty is formed very early on in the process between the PO and an expert and the crowdsourcing website where that connection was made, is doing nothing more than facilitating an efficient and timely conclusion to the project with both parties satisfied. </p>
<p>I started Spudaroo because I was tired of basing purchase decisions on proposals and so far, the feedback has been tremendous. Crowdsourcing is absolutely here to stay but I agree, it will be interesting to see the evolution of the model.</p>
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		<title>By: kingderek</title>
		<link>http://digitalpopuli.com/crowdsourcing/whats-being-ignored-in-the-crowdsourcing-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>kingderek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, I think the next generation crowdsourcing will be elitesourcing as they call it at Edge Amsterdam (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edge-amsterdam.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.edge-amsterdam.com&lt;/a&gt;) where they say that crowdsourcing only works with the right crowd. And I think it is not about logo design. But brands are looking for brand and product innovations, that&#039;s where they should use the creative elite for. And especially the young talents. They walk on the edges of their creative abilities with ease and are the true motors for creative innovation.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But it all comes down to a fair and balanced revenue sharing model between the creators and the network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, I think the next generation crowdsourcing will be elitesourcing as they call it at Edge Amsterdam (<a href="http://www.edge-amsterdam.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.edge-amsterdam.com</a>) where they say that crowdsourcing only works with the right crowd. And I think it is not about logo design. But brands are looking for brand and product innovations, that&#39;s where they should use the creative elite for. And especially the young talents. They walk on the edges of their creative abilities with ease and are the true motors for creative innovation.  </p>
<p>But it all comes down to a fair and balanced revenue sharing model between the creators and the network.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Neulichedl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Neulichedl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea to use hyperniche experts for crowdsourcing - is the evolutionary step of the niche-marketing research. Not just ask the niche what they like, but actively engage them to start something they would buy or use.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obviously the creation process has to be filtered and guided - but think about the posibilities: A big brand ask you what the next product should be. Maybe the next trend could be Nichesourcing-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea to use hyperniche experts for crowdsourcing &#8211; is the evolutionary step of the niche-marketing research. Not just ask the niche what they like, but actively engage them to start something they would buy or use.</p>
<p>Obviously the creation process has to be filtered and guided &#8211; but think about the posibilities: A big brand ask you what the next product should be. Maybe the next trend could be Nichesourcing-</p>
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		<title>By: rickliebling</title>
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		<dc:creator>rickliebling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff here. For me the issue is one of purpose. I&#039;m interested to see how brands could you crowdsourcing to solve very specific, very challenging problems. In this manner, getting a bunch of submissions and hoping one is really good is the wrong way to look at it. You want to have a large pool of hyperniche experts, each one of which can add the very best answer in his/her field to the overall solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff here. For me the issue is one of purpose. I&#39;m interested to see how brands could you crowdsourcing to solve very specific, very challenging problems. In this manner, getting a bunch of submissions and hoping one is really good is the wrong way to look at it. You want to have a large pool of hyperniche experts, each one of which can add the very best answer in his/her field to the overall solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Lacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Crowdsourcing in the real time web is in its early stages and as such, is bound to evolve from its current state. For it to become a sustainable model, there needs to be a way to improve the current “many work one gets paid” issue.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Indeed.  And there is. I encourage you to take a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://quirky.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;quirky.com&lt;/a&gt;.  Every week we crowdsource the design and development of consumer products and reward all contributors with cash.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The way it works is that users earn influence for submitting and supporting winning ideas (product ideas, logos, product names, taglines, industrial design, etc) as well as participating in market research.  Influence is essentially an equity stake in a product&#039;s sales.  And 30% of product revenue is paid out to product influencers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With this model, we can track user performance over time and discover the most influential members of the community.  And since they have earned the most influence, they have also earned a proportionately large share of the product revenue that gets paid back to users.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s a powerful feedback loop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Crowdsourcing in the real time web is in its early stages and as such, is bound to evolve from its current state. For it to become a sustainable model, there needs to be a way to improve the current “many work one gets paid” issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed.  And there is. I encourage you to take a look at <a href="http://quirky.com" rel="nofollow">quirky.com</a>.  Every week we crowdsource the design and development of consumer products and reward all contributors with cash.</p>
<p>The way it works is that users earn influence for submitting and supporting winning ideas (product ideas, logos, product names, taglines, industrial design, etc) as well as participating in market research.  Influence is essentially an equity stake in a product&#39;s sales.  And 30% of product revenue is paid out to product influencers.</p>
<p>With this model, we can track user performance over time and discover the most influential members of the community.  And since they have earned the most influence, they have also earned a proportionately large share of the product revenue that gets paid back to users.</p>
<p>It&#39;s a powerful feedback loop.</p>
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		<title>By: DanIdeaBounty</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanIdeaBounty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Great post and some very important points. I represent Idea Bounty (the platform that Unilever used to crowdsource for its Peperami brand) and much of our thinking about who we are is very much inline with some of your points. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Initially the reaction to Idea Bounty was one where people were of the opinion that we were a direct competitor to the agencies -infact we like to think of ourselves as a tool for agencies to embrace rather than compete with.  Our model is constructed in such a way the we only look for ideas and there is always a need for there to be someone to execute and produce the idea. One of the reasons why Unilever ended its relationship with Lowe was becuase they felt that after 15 years of working on the account Lowe were not producing any fresh ideas - To us this would have been the perfect opportunity for Lowe to step in suggest to the client that they source ideas through the crowd with the guarantee that A) they would be involved in picking the best idea and B) They get to produce the idea. Added to that the high level if engagement and different perspectives on the brand you receive is invaluable. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Crowdsourcing is definitely here to stay in one form or another and the sooner agencies start embracing it the better. Thanks for the post again!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Daniel&lt;br&gt;@IdeaBounty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi </p>
<p>Great post and some very important points. I represent Idea Bounty (the platform that Unilever used to crowdsource for its Peperami brand) and much of our thinking about who we are is very much inline with some of your points. </p>
<p>Initially the reaction to Idea Bounty was one where people were of the opinion that we were a direct competitor to the agencies -infact we like to think of ourselves as a tool for agencies to embrace rather than compete with.  Our model is constructed in such a way the we only look for ideas and there is always a need for there to be someone to execute and produce the idea. One of the reasons why Unilever ended its relationship with Lowe was becuase they felt that after 15 years of working on the account Lowe were not producing any fresh ideas &#8211; To us this would have been the perfect opportunity for Lowe to step in suggest to the client that they source ideas through the crowd with the guarantee that A) they would be involved in picking the best idea and B) They get to produce the idea. Added to that the high level if engagement and different perspectives on the brand you receive is invaluable. </p>
<p>Crowdsourcing is definitely here to stay in one form or another and the sooner agencies start embracing it the better. Thanks for the post again!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Daniel<br />@IdeaBounty</p>
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